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Old 11-30-2009, 06:19 PM
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In choosing a fly, which do you usually consider, the design or its effectiveness?

It is nice to fish with a colorful fly at the end of the fishing rod but at the end of the day its the catch that matters.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:22 AM
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You can have both the design having very good effectiveness on catching fish. The design of the fly determines the effectiveness. The designs are made in order to lure the fish and not to have a fancy style of fishing.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:56 AM
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Surely the design is the effectiveness?

If the pattern is designed well then it should be effective, providing you are using it at the right times. There's no point imitating a fry if fish aren't spawning yet. You need to imitate what life there is on the water at the time you are fishing so your fly can blend it naturally.

You'll often find you need to change your flies throughout the day to see what attracts the fish. Whether it is spinning or fly fishing, I've often seen novice anglers use the brightest bait or the biggest hook thinking that'll help, but sometimes subtlety is what you need.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:59 AM
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The design of the fly determines the effectiveness.
I agree with this but its also true the other way around. The effectiveness of your fly decides the outcome of the design. I guess Khalid explained this clearly that choosing a fly depends on the location and the time of the day. So design will just follow according to the need at hand.

Design is also important because as Khalid said, we are trying to imitate the trout's diet.
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Old 12-22-2009, 10:49 AM
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Design is also important because as Khalid said, we are trying to imitate the trout's diet.
As the old saying goes, you want to match the hatch. That's the essence of fly fishing. No matter how good your fly looks, if it doesn't match what's in the surrounding area, you won't have any success.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:19 AM
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Surely the design is the effectiveness?

If the pattern is designed well then it should be effective, providing you are using it at the right times. There's no point imitating a fry if fish aren't spawning yet. You need to imitate what life there is on the water at the time you are fishing so your fly can blend it naturally.

You'll often find you need to change your flies throughout the day to see what attracts the fish. Whether it is spinning or fly fishing, I've often seen novice anglers use the brightest bait or the biggest hook thinking that'll help, but sometimes subtlety is what you need.
This means that I have to bring several kinds of flies with me, alas I bought only one type of fly. And how do I know when to change flies?
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:35 PM
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but sometimes subtlety is what you need.
I have seen others do this as well and I never really understood why. To me natural is the best route since I go from "If I were the fish....", and I have to say if I saw some crazy looking lime green or pink "oddie" floating around, the last thing I would be thinking is that its normal.
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Old 12-26-2009, 03:59 PM
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If the pattern is designed well then it should be effective, providing you are using it at the right times. There's no point imitating a fry if fish aren't spawning yet. You need to imitate what life there is on the water at the time you are fishing so your fly can blend it naturally.
Yes I can't agree more with you. The point is tying the fly to get it as real as possible. I was even thinking to apply something on the fly to make it smell like a real fly. Do you think it will help?
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:32 PM
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Drey, I have many friends throughout the world who have tried adding smells and flavours to flies, none can tell me if it made a difference!
Trout are sight feeders - so they rely upon seeing the size, colour, shape and behaviour of a food item to determine if its edible, they will often take a an insect immitation (fly) into their mouth only to spit it out because the texture is not right and they do it in less than a microsecond! So if you have matched the hatch, keep in contact with your fly and you will catch fish, the edge you are looking for only comes with experience.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:30 PM
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Thanks Speymad for enlightening. It means we can concentrate to make the flies look appealing. I am a bit discouraged though. You know, I was thinking about smells because it is much easier to add smells and flavours to flies than to tie good looking flies.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:10 AM
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Drey, All will come given time. Flies are the easy part, its how to present them that counts. Take for example, three of us in a boat, trout rising freely all around us no-one catching. I had noticed that every time I threw a cigarette butt over the side that it too would be slashed at by the fish. I carry a small spool of thread with me so I hurredly removed fur and feather from a tired looking fly and whipped on a cigarette butt. Three fish in half an hour saw the rest of the guys begging to buy my cigarettes!
Take your time - Create beautifully proportioned flies that look "buggy" and fish them properly and you will catch.
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